Monday, February 12, 2007

So i was on the Radio this morning KTAR 92.3 NEWS.

This guy Darrell Ankarlo hosts this News Radio show in the morning,on News 92.3 KTAR and today while driving to work, i was listening. They were discussing Iran having Nuclear weapons. The host was saying how Iranians are tyring to say that they want dialogue with America but on the other hand say DEATH TO USA, what made me call, is that he was making fun of them and talking in an Arabic wannabe Accent.

So i call the show, (never called a show before) and sure enough they answer...Now i was a little stumped. It went like this.

Operator: Hi Whats your name?

Me: Tarek

Operator: TOureoinaoghieh

Me: NO TAREK!!

Operator: Ok, what are you calling to say?

Me: To talk about Irans Nuclear Weapons.

Operator: Ok, we are gonna put you on live, but please thank the Host and say his name because the show is new and we want to get his name out there.

Me: Ok.

NCarlo: Thank you for calling, Tourak from Scottsdale, AZ

Me: Thanks ANKARLO for taking my call.

Ncarlo: So whats your opinion on Iranians having Nukes.

Me: Why not, If they are using them for peacful purposes then why not, we allow other countries in the region to have them.

Ncarlo: But those guys in Iran are dangerous.

Me: I doubt anyone wants a nuclear war, and yes i do agree they are acting a little crazy over there, I'm muslim myself and don't agree with some things they do. But if Israel is allowed to have nukes so should they. as long as for peacful purposes.

Ncarlo: But Israel is surrounded by countries that hate it, and they need them for self defence.

Me: Well, your right, they are and OCCUPYING power and when your an OCCUPIER your not very well liked...but that a whole different subject.

Ncarlo: Yes different subject we'd have to have an entire show for..But again their worried about attacks.

Me: Very true, But other countries are the ones that need to be worried, look what they did to Lebanon last summer, so if they can have weapons, then Iran should as well... anyways it would definitly require an entire show to cover that subject!

NCarlo: Ok Tauooakrak thanks for calling, next caller!


yes guys, i know not very interesting and i didn't realy make much of a point...But i was very nervous i never expected them to actually answer the call and put me on this quick...As you can see my First instinct was to want to talk about the Israeli occupation of palestine and the Lebanon summer war instead of anything else..lol, Damn it! How Typical ;)

37 comments:

Moroccan said...

At least you didn't call them names.

That was good for a start.

Modern Pharaoh said...

@Moroccan. Thanks! Howcome you don't start a Blog?

Anonymous said...

MP,

nice call...but you don't really feel comfortable with the iranians having nukes do you? i can tell you one thing, egypt feels a lot better about israel having 'em than about iran having 'em. how do i know? israel's had 'em for years, and if anything, it's provided egypt an excuse not to get dragged into another stupid conflict (i mean egypt got all its land back, what else do they need? hey, they can even have the gaza strip back if they want! but of course they do not!) on the other hand, since iran's been hell bent for nukes, egypt's been making noises about developing its own "peaceful" nukes. actions speak louder than words, don't they?

Modern Pharaoh said...

@Anonymus: No in actuality deep inside i do not feel comfortable with them having nukes...but i did want to start an argument with the guy so i can make DIFFERENT points..lol. But i realized they only allow you a couple of minutes!

Hey i had my Couple of Minutes of fame!

Anonymous said...

MP,

but regarding your "other points" - the funny thing about the "occupation" is: the palestinians NEED the occupation. That's why they went nuts when Israel handed them back all of Gaza. They would love it if Israel went back in. As Arafat proved at Camp David, the worst thing for the Palestinians is having to accept what they view as the REAL occupation: i.e. Israel existing at all anywhere. That would really ruin their pity party. Now I don't doubt that folks like you think there is a fair two state solution out there. Judging from your Myspace pics, you're a fun loving guy who would have a total blast in Tel Aviv and would make a million Israeli friends. Unfortunately, the Pali leaders don't have that anywhere on their agenda. Deep down I think you would probably agree! Btw, can you explain to me why Jordan and Egypt when they "occupied" gaza and the west bank didn't set up a nice state for the Palis?

Modern Pharaoh said...

Anonymous: Dont start with the Jordan and Egypt occupying Palestine thing! And if they did and they didn't set the Palis a state then that is wrong. But we know they sure didn't treat them like animals like the Zionists do.

and yes i'd make a ton of friends in Tel Aviv..but i would sure argue with them that their Goverment are assholes and that they treat the palis like animals and have literally driven the palis crazy! and now they are trying to push the muslim worlds buttons with their stupid antagonizing digging near Al Aqsa.

ps: Gaza was but an open air prison for the Palis. If you believe living under occupation is fair then there is something wrong with your values.

I will tell you this: New Israelis have no fault, they were born there! But the old asshole Zionists(From South America, Europe, USA) who Took over Palestine (or the Palestinian peoples land since it wasn't an official state) are the ones to blame for building a Racist State.

I hope Sharon the pig is suffering the torment of God as he lay in his coma! (never would i say that about Anyone but Some of those PM's of Israel)

GodBless the likes of RABIN, and SADAT...

One more thing, in those pics on myspace all those drinks are Redbull with a lime or Tonic water with a lime ;)

Anonymous said...

MP,

right, it's the israelis' fault that the Palis act like animals..puhlease. The Palis get more international aid per capita than anybody in the world, they don't even know how to begin building a country for themselves, i could go on and on...

btw, how come Egyptian Copts are treated so poorly? They're more Egyptian than the muslims!!

by your yardstick, anyone who ever founded a country is a racist pig. can you not empathize with the problems zionism tried to solve? do you really believe jews have no claim on eretz israel as they call it? did you know that there were once a million jews living in Alexandria? Did you know the Christian version of the old testament is based on a jewish translation of the torah into greek by 70 jewish scholars in alexandria more than two thousand years ago? I mean the whole exodus story is based on the jews coming out of egypt to the holy land led by an egyptian prince!! and you don't think jews have the right to realize their national identity in that land? It's a vicious circle, deny jewish nationalism but don't accept jews as equals in the lands where they live, that's what led to the Zionism you hate so much in the first place!! Btw, you're living on land stolen from the Hopi Indians by some pig white man. Feel guilty? In short, when are the Palis gonna give it a rest and do something positive for a change?

Modern Pharaoh said...

No sense arguing about this. I have my view and you have yours. The facts are there. Palestinians lived there before the mass migration of the Zionists. Palestinian jews, muslims and Christians all lived there just fine.

Zionism and Religious Extremism are the cancer of this world.

Palestinians have the right to fight the occupation of their land! What they don't have the right to do is Blow themselves up and kill innocent people and teach their children Hate!

Israel is supported by the USA, U.K and thats it. Everyone else agrees they are dick heads who don't abide by any UN resolutions!

If i was a palestinian born in a refugee camp or living under Occupation i sure as fuck would anything i can to fight the occupation.

If i was an Israeli i'd do anything i can to save the land i think is mine...

So therefore there is NO SOLUTION! :(

There were many jews living in Alex yes. i wrote a post about this (JEWS IN EGYPT) its sad they are mostly gone now..another Result of the Zionist state being founded is all the arabs started mistrusting their jew country men after the Lavon Affair especially! Sad but true, Simple arab mind at work on that one! ;)

The indians in the USA are living it up and get thousands of dollars each from the goverment and get to build casinos and no taxes..so they sure as hell don't mind the USA. The palestinians on the other hand get a stiff dick in their ass.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

anonymous, post some evidence to support your claims or you will be seen as full of shit.

Anonymous said...

MP,

look MP, if i were an egyptian copt, i'd probably grab a machine gone and take a bus up to alex, but they don't do they? you know, arafat built a casino in jericho, actually with israeli partners, and was minting money!! but because of the infantada, it's all down the drain! palestinians have had more money thrown at them than the american indians will ever be able to dream of. they're the biggest welfare basket case the world has ever seen, kept in their state of dependence by poor leaders and fellow muslims that would rather keep 'the cause' alive than see a solution to the problem.

AW,

please point to a specific claim that i made that you think is false and i will be happy to supply links, evidence, what have you. The thing I like about MP is that even though he hates 'zionism', exagerratedly calling it THE cancer on the world (c'mon! the arab rulers have so much more arab blood on their hands than does israel, and that includes pali blood, it's not funny, but no one cares about that, that's not a cancer!! spit), at least his heart is in the right place and i sense he's in the camp of reasonable folks...if the pali leaders were like him, israel and palestine would be marching forward into a glorious future together..it's not impossible!

Modern Pharaoh said...

@Anonymus: Your nuts! HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO EGYPT?

Egyptian copts are some of the Most prominent Egyptians..and my family knows many many Egyptian Copts and trust me, the only thing they ever complain about is not being able to have a bigger voice in the Goverment.

In the Poor Rural areas YES i have heard of a few, VERY FEW clashes, but Thats because the MUSLIMS and COPTS there are both improvished, and ITS NEVER realy COPT vs MUSLIM its usually family fueds..but again this is always in the Rural Areas.

There have been 3 or 4 incidents in the past 4 years in Cairo and Alex, because of some morons acting up. But the Copts also have their Demonstrations and when they get beat up by the state Security its the Same as when any Egyptians demonstrate and get an ass whipping by state Security (which i don't blame the State because Egyptians don't know how to hold peacful quite demonstrations)

So WHEN you have have lived in EGYPT and ACTUALLY know whats going on INTERNALLY..THEN make your claims.

Plus the reason you'd goto Alex with a machine gun is because your a ZIONIST just like the ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, you think KILLING is the Solution. ;)

LOL@ poor Israel being the victim..and LMAO at them helping out the Palestinians and giving them money! WATCH PEACE PROPAGANDA AND THE MIDDLE EAST!

Egypeter said...

Ya know MP - like anonymous said, I definitely think that you are a very reasonable and good Egyptian muslim with good intentions.

But then I read:

"Egyptian copts are some of the Most prominent Egyptians."

True. But that is in spite of them being Christian not BECAUSE they're Christian. And I assume you're talking about Onsi Saweiris. Every time someone brings up how Christians are treated poorly in Egypt someone brings up his name and says, "Wait but the Copts have all the money, they CAN'T be treated poorly" Well, that is FLAT wrong. Have you ever been to "Hai el Zabaleen" in Cairo? If you haven't, then go there and tell me all the Copts are wealthy.

You also said:

"and my family knows many many Egyptian Copts and trust me, the only thing they ever complain about is not being able to have a bigger voice in the Goverment"

Really? The ONLY thing MP? C'mon. Come to Chicago and meet my Coptic community here. They'll tell you a million more problems they have besides representation in government (which is a HUGE problem by itself) How about not letting Christians build their churches when you can't walk five feet in Egypt without tripping over a mosque? Why are there government restrictions on building churches and not mosques? What about the current crisis? Egypt is moving to electronic I.D.'s, right? I read countless stories in "Watani" about how some fundemental government workers refuse to authorize "Christian" in the religion category for some Chrisitans? Sounds like a small problem to many but YOU know the truth. What about the Bahai'i prople in Egypt? The government won't let them put their religion on their cards because Bahai'i isn't one of the "Three heavenly religions?" Lol.

You said:

"In the Poor Rural areas YES i have heard of a few, VERY FEW clashes, but Thats because the MUSLIMS and COPTS there are both improvished, and ITS NEVER realy COPT vs MUSLIM its usually family fueds..but again this is always in the Rural Areas."

The Moharaam Bey riots outside St. George Church wasn't rural. The Good Friday incident in Cairo wasn't rural. To whitewash all of the sectarian violence that happens in Egypt and to say it happens only in rural areas and is usually a 'family feud' is, again, flat wrong! Many, if not all, of these problems are SECTARIAN related, that's for sure. And denying the reality of it only perpetuates Egypt's problems!

You said:

"There have been 3 or 4 incidents in the past 4 years in Cairo and Alex, because of some morons acting up."

"Some morons?" 5000 protesters chanting Islamic slogans and waving the Quran are not "some morons" That's A LOT of morons.

You said:

"But the Copts also have their Demonstrations and when they get beat up by the state Security its the Same as when any Egyptians demonstrate and get an ass whipping by state Security (which i don't blame the State because Egyptians don't know how to hold peacful quite demonstrations)"

What if it's not State Security that's beating them up?

Look, like I said before, you're probably a very decent guy and I think your message of "Egypt first" is a great idea. But you seem to have the same tendency that many other Egyptians have, which is to "play down" the sectarian problems that Egypt has. Why? I have been around thousands of Copts here in the Chicago area and NOT ONCE IN MY LIFE have I ever heard an Egyptian Christian say, "Oh Christian/Muslim relations in Egypt are just fine." Not once have I ever heard that. I here the EXACT opposite. So when I hear Egyptian muslims say everything is fine it just boggles my mind. Just listen to the Copts.

Anyway, salaam.

Modern Pharaoh said...

@Egypter: Habiby, i do hear copts because many many of our family friends are copts..and i never brought up Anis Siwaris either!

Ok To break it down, which i didn't want to do(because unless your Egyptian you wouldn't get this) IN OUR "SOCIAL" CLASS Muslims & COPTS get along just fine!!!!!!!!

In closing: Yes there are some issues that need to be addressed, but lets not ACT like Christians are walking down Egyptian streets SCARED and are LIVING IN FEAR!!

If you look at it, Egypt is A muslim Country...Christians are a minority, and in any country the Minority is always at a disadvantage.
Just like how in the USA when your Muslim your a minority and you feel like your disadvantaged somehow!

EGYPTER: I'd realy like to see you write a blog, howcome you don't Blog?? how's the RealEstate biz in shytown? Slow here in AZ :(

Egypeter said...

MP - I agree that the educated, upper-class Egyptians share most of our ideas. For sure.

But the 40% of illiterate Egyptians do not. The Ikhwan do not. The vast majority of Egyptians, who sadly,, are not upper or even middle class do not share our views.

Your family has many Christian friends, I don't doubt it. That's great, makes me happy to hear it but you obviously come from quite a different and progressive family...

Every day I read and hear about how the Muslim-Christian gap is widening. And then I discuss it with my parents and they paint a totally differenct picture for me when they were growing up back in the 50's and 60's. Now, that's not the case and I'm afraid that it's getting worse. Something needs to be done to tone down the fundementalism in our country or we are ALL SCREWED!

Ya know, I go back every few years, so I get a really good "snapshot in time" of how Egypt is changing. And it is NOT GOOD.

Egypeter said...

Well MP, I don't think it's very fair to compare a Muslim living in America to a Christian living in Egypt. That's not fair man.

A Muslim American has WAY MORE rights in America than a Christian Egyptian in Egypt...let's be realisitic, right?

One day I'll get around to writing my own blog. But now, I'm happy visiting and commenting on blogs I like :)

As far as Real Estate, although I have my Broker's liscense, I mostly do property management with my family's bussiness. I don't do much 'agent' work. But yes, home buying has slowed down unfortuantely. Hope it picks up soon - but it's good for rentals.

Modern Pharaoh said...

Hey Egypter, i Rewrote my last COMMENT to you, the one above..sp please re-read it!

and Yes the extremism is rising, its So SAD! like you said and my family says, a while ago, Egypt was the place where, Christians,muslims,jews all lived together...thats why Greeks, Armenians and all kinds of people used to move to EGYPT!! Now its all Disinigrating! (Read my post About Modern Cosmopolitan Egypt)

Egypeter said...

And speak of the devil, just to prove my point.

I just came across this article.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13256156.htm

I don't think too many American muslims have to worry about shit like this.

Modern Pharaoh said...

@Egypter..I'm not sure exactly what your trying to prove here? Do you want to try and give the impression that Christians are walking around egypt looking behind their backs? Give me a break! Its things like this that start and stir civil strife between Egyptians.

and like i said the article says "SOUTHERN EGYPT"

Kefaya FITNA ba2a, maybe you should call Bush and tell him to come FREE the Christians of Egypt because their persecuted !!

Egypeter said...

MP - I don't really give a damn whether it's Upper of Lower Egypt...it's Egypt.

And I'm not trying to "prove" anything, although the Reuters News Alert did just that.

And I AM THE ONE that's trying to cause civil strife in Egypt by exposing the truth?? Or is it the fanatics that go around and do this shit on a FAIRLY regular basis that are trying to cause civil strife???

All I want, is the disease that is fundementalism to go away!! And until Egyptians admit it it ain't gonna happen.

Egypeter said...

And please don't say:

"maybe you should call Bush and tell him to come FREE the Christians of Egypt because their persecuted !!"

That is EXACTLY what the fundementalists say about the Christians, EXACTLY.

Modern Pharaoh said...

@Egypter: ok so i guess i'm a fundementalist then...Geez, its like that douche bag Michael Something the Christian Egyptian who's always crying on TV like a little bitch and making Egypt sound like there is a civil war there between christians and muslims.

Egypeter said...

MP - C'mon! I OBVIOUSLY don't think you're "ma'tasib" just by talking to you and looking at your myspace account - we're probably more similar than you think. So I'm sorry if you took it that way.

Of course Copts aren't being slaughtered on the streets of Egypt (although some in Armant might disagree with you today). And I know that life in Egypt sucks right now for ALL Egyptians. That's true too. But it's also true that Christians in Egypt have many more hurdles than do their muslim brothers and sisters. That is also true and I don't think you disagree with me on that.

I just want more Egyptians to acknowledge the problems their Christian countrymen are having and the risiming Islamic fervor that is threatening them. Because If they don't, than I don't think anything will change. You'd be surprised by how many Egyptian muslims tell me that they see no more problems for Copts than Muslims. That's simply a lie and is SO outrageous to me.

And if things continue on the same path (getting worse) you can expect more outcries from the diaspora Copts. You complain about Michael Meunier. I see Michael Meunier as a CHAMPION of Coptic rights!! Does he advocate violence? No. Is he calling for a Coptic state? No. Is he calling for an intifada? No.

What does he want? He just wants what I want, secutiry, freedom, equality, secualr democracy...you disagree?

So Michael Meunier "crying like a little bitch" about sectarian problems in Egypt is the one trying to make Egypt look like it's in a civil war? Or is the assholes who torched Coptic bussiesses and properties the ones ACTUALLY trying to cause a civil war?

Maybe that "whiny little bitch", Hala El-Masry who reported this incident is just trying to cause a civil war too...let's not worry about the messenger as much as the message and try and FIX them.

Modern Pharaoh said...

Michael DoucheBag is a jerk off! Even Baba Shanouda said that Michael is exaggerating things a bit! That Guy Can EAT A DICK!

Anyways...Moderate Normal muslims and Christians are both Sick of the rising Fundementalism Alike!

Yes i agree there are some things that need to be addressed, but its not some kind of life and death situation and IT NEVER WILL BE! because when the time comes and it appears to be that way, it will be the ENd of MOST EGYPTIANS anyways!

Those Fundementalists Hate Moderate(a term i dont' realy like to use, but its the opposite of extremist) Muslims as much as they hate Copts.

And Sorry for saying that Michael guy can Eat a Dick...i meant he can eat TWO DICKS! ;)

Egypter if your ever in AZ make sure to hit me up!

This subject was about my radio interview..so i'll start something new about what you and i are talking about later! But were both trying to get the last word in and weve butchered the original subject! Allah Yikhalik ba2a kefaya! ;)

Egypeter said...

Right on Modern Pharaoh! Like I said, you and I are way more alike than we are different!! I can guarantee you that - except for maybe the issue of Michael Meunier :) But that's ok. And if you're who I think you are I bet you wouldn't disagree with a lot of what he says (I've met him)...but that's another story.

And I know that the extremists hate the "moderate normal muslims" but that's why we need you guys to speak up WITH us and not AGIANST us, ya know? And I know you do!

And you're right, sorry I got us off topic.

And I would definitely look you up if I ever make it down to AZ. My uncle used to live in Scottsdale a few years back, now he's up here in Chicago. And you definitely do the same if you're ever up in Chicago. I promise to show you a great time...much like your pics :)

Anonymous said...

MP, you said: "Your nuts! HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO EGYPT? "

Actually, back in the early '80s when i was in my early 20s, a guy named Tarek (no joke) invited me to visit his family in Egypt (heliopolis) for a few weeks. I also bummed around all over egypt by myself, plus i went with this Tarek up to Alex and spent several days on the sea with his brothers and sisters. So, though my feel for the country is dated, i'm not talking completely out of my ass, and i've been to israel several times as well as to the west bank on several occasions. I'm not unbiased, but i'm very far from being uninformed. And like I said, I really enjoyed the Egyptians I met...if it weren't for Ma'alesh and Insh'allah, the country would probably be a bit less of a mess ;), but as for me, i was treated with great hospitality!

Modern Pharaoh said...

LOL@ Ma3lish and Inshallah! Those are 2 phrases that definitly are overused and are EXCUSES pretty much for not getting stuff done! might need a whole blog post on those.

ps: INshallah means If God wills..But most people use it now as "WELL MAYBE"

"The Evolutionary" said...

To anonymous: I gotta add my two cents here--first, the comment made regards Israel's claim to the Palestinian land. Biblically, they have none, as they refused to fight for it when God ordered them do so. So they lost the land way back then. I suppose I could look this up and give exact verses and quotes, but I am, yawn, tired.

To egypeter: As far as the Zabileen in Egypt, I have studied this subject at length and it is well known that although these people live in garbage dumps, they are some of the wealthiest Egyptians around, because of their recycling. There's a lot of money in trash the world over, so please dont try to convince us they are poor. Besides, whose idea was it that they live in the garbage dumps to begin with? You're not trying to say it was a forceable march to the dumps are you. Recycling trash brings big money--period! Look it up! Also wanted to say in my neck of the Egyptian woods, churches are being renovated in a big way. My town is small so maybe there's no need to build more, but they do seem to be allowed to enlarge and renovate at will.

However I would like to close by saying that regards Copts and Muslims in Egypt, I believe there must be equality between them. An Egyptian is an Egyptian is an Egyptian. Marginalizing any sector of society is a stupid waste of valuable intelligence that could be put to better use improving the country. And truth to tell, I am sorry that most of the Jews have left Egypt, and that the Copts are anxious to get out too. That a shame on Islam and Muslims--shame, shame, shame. It makes me want to say I'm sorry, and I'm not even Egyptian.

"The Evolutionary" said...

MP--your last comment reminds me of a joke:

The Egyptians have become computerized. IBM...Insha'allah, Bukrah, Maalish.

;-)

Anonymous said...

Evo said: "Biblically, they have none, as they refused to fight for it when God ordered them do so. So they lost the land way back then. I suppose I could look this up and give exact verses and quotes, but I am, yawn, tired."

I suppose you could read some history books too, but you're too, yawn, tired. The Jews lost their country to the Roman Empire in the first centuries A.D., which is well past anything recounted in the Hebrew Bible. If you're referring to the Babylonian exile, well, I've got news for you, the Jews returned, restored their sovereignty and built the second temple, which lasted for many, many centuries until the crushing persecution by the Roman Empire proved too great to resist. Many historians believe that the reason the Jews lost their country was that they fought TOO hard in a futile mismatched battle against the superpower of that era; if they had folded like most subject peoples and allowed the Romans to dictate how they worshipped, etc., they could have probably hung onto their country. It took 2000 years for the Jews to return and reestablish their sovereign presence once more. Please don't be so obvious about your utter ignorance...get thee to a library (or just read wikipedia).

Egypeter said...

Well, Evo - Have YOU ever been to 'Zabaleen?' I have.

"As far as the Zabileen in Egypt, I have studied this subject at length and it is well known that although these people live in garbage dumps, they are some of the wealthiest Egyptians around,"

WRONG! "Some of the wealthiest Egyptians around??" Would you like to back up your statement?? Yes, they are able to survive on their bussiness but to say that they are "some of the wealthiest" Egyptians around is fairly laughable. Go visit their town and then come back and tell me that.

"so please dont try to convince us they are poor. Besides, whose idea was it that they live in the garbage dumps to begin with?"

Lol. "Trying" to convince you, huh? Like I said, since you claim to be an expert on the Zabaleen, yet you've never seen it, go see it for youself as I'm sure you would see the poverty and squalor they live in. I'm not "trying" to convince you of anything. But don't try and convince me that the Zabaleen are millionaires, either.

"You're not trying to say it was a forceable march to the dumps are you. Recycling trash brings big money--period! Look it up! Also wanted to say in my neck of the Egyptian woods, churches are being renovated in a big way. My town is small so maybe there's no need to build more, but they do seem to be allowed to enlarge and renovate at will."

No, I'm not trying to say that. Where exactly did I say 'forceable march?' - don't put words in my mouth. But you need to quit fooling yourself on how wealthy the Zabaleen are cuz that's pure B.S.

And since you are an expert on the Zabaleen, are you aware of what the Egyptian government is trying to do to the Zabaleen's livlihood?? YES, the Egyptian governement wants to take their bussiness away and give it to intenational companies....basically elimiating a need for their services.

With all that said, I totally agree with your last paragraph!! The wonderful Egyptian Jews fled a long time ago and now the Copts are migrating in record numbers and if the situation in Egypt doesn't change, Egypt will be left to the fanatics.

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

""Some morons?" 5000 protesters chanting Islamic slogans and waving the Quran are not "some morons" That's A LOT of morons."

So when 5,000 White Australians went on a rampage in Cronulla Beach on Dec 05, bashing anyone that even looked remotely Middle Eastern on the streets, would you judge Australia because of the 5,000 drunken Anglo-Saxons who were the epitome of white power nationalist parties?

BTW, Copts have more rights in Egypt than Shi'as do in Muslim countries, yet I don't see Copts speaking out on the plight of the Shi'a in those countries. All I hear from Copts is talking trash about the Islamic faith and blaming all 1.5 billion Muslims for the actions of a few misguided idiots who ruin their lives. I'm sorry, but as a Pakistani Muslim, I have nothing to do with the sectarian violence in Egypt, so I or nor any other non-Egyptian non-Arab Muslim should be held responsible for what they do.

Should I hold the Copts responsible for what Orthodox Serbs did in Bosnia and Kosovo? Or what the Phalangists did in Sabra and Shatila? Of course not, so why should they blame us for everything wrong that occurs to them?

I'm not trying to bash Egypeter by any means, but I felt compelled to speak out on this. I do acknowledge how Christians in Muslim countries are treated, but let's not be quick to blame it on the faith or other normal Muslims.

And I agree with you that you can't really compare a Muslim in America to a Christian in Egypt. I hear it quite a bit when Muslims try to bring up the conditions Muslims live in India and compare it Muslims in the US, and it cannot be compared since American Muslims are wealthier, more educated, and are better integrated to the American society than others.

Regards

The Anti-Wahhabi said...

"I have nothing to do with the sectarian violence in Egypt, so I or nor any other non-Egyptian non-Arab Muslim should not be held responsible for what they do."

Had to correct that one.

Egypeter said...

Anti-wahabbi:

"I have nothing to do with the sectarian violence in Egypt, so I or nor any other non-Egyptian non-Arab Muslim should not be held responsible for what they do."

Where do I post contrary otherwise? I blamed non Egyptian non-arabs for Egypt's problems?? The only people I hold responsible for the poor treatment of Chrisitans in Egypt are EGYPTIANS! And I don't hold that the entire Islamic faith is responsible for the inequality that is so rampant in Egypt today. A mere 50 years ago Egypt was a cosmpolitan and tolerant country where Jews, Christians, Muslims, Greeks, Armenians ALL shared their Egyptian heritage and lived next door to each other. BUT something is changing, something hapened, Egyptians ARE becoming more fundemental and it is destroying the fabric of Egyptian culture. I don't know, but Wahabbi ideology AND culture has somehow invaded Egypt over the last couple of decades and Egypt is resembling Saudi Arabia more and more every year.

But for you to say:

"All I hear from Copts is talking trash about the Islamic faith and blaming all 1.5 billion Muslims for the actions of a few misguided idiots who ruin their lives"

You aren't even Egyptian!! You don't live in Egypt. You're not a Chrisitian. You have no idea how a "few misguided idiots" can "ruin" a Christian Egyptian's life! So until you widen YOUR perspective that was a pretty unfair generalization.

Look, like I've said before you "normal" muslims or "moderate" muslims are the ONLY partners Copts in Egypt have. I really believe that Egypt's only chance is through these peaceful moderates that Wahabbism will be erased, well, if at all.

Modern Pharaoh said...

@anti-Wahabi and Egypter: Anti, i don't think Egypter was generalizing all muslims.

Egypter..I actually don't think WAHABISM itself is the problem, Saudia Arabia actually seems alot more Modern to me than Egypt. Its the Fundementalist Ideals of any faith that take it to the Fanatical level!

"The Evolutionary" said...

egypeter---what in the world makes you think I have NOT been to the Zabileen??? I have. To just cut to the chase, ask yourself why the Egyptian government is trying to give it to an international company? Hint: There's gold in them, thar hills.

"The Evolutionary" said...

Anon: REF: "Please don't be so obvious about your utter ignorance...get thee to a library (or just read wikipedia).


I did better than either of those options. I learned at the hand of a Jewish scholar/Rabbi.

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